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Survivor: Edge of Extinction Episode 12


Gus and Ali, a real-life couple and fans of Survivor, can be individually ranking the Survivor Season 38 castaways into two categories, Scorching or Not, based mostly on who they assume has potential longevity in the recreation. Hots are indicative of castaways who we expect performed properly this week or who are setting themselves up for fulfillment; Nots are indicative of castaways who we expect didn’t and aren’t. In an effort to avoid what Gus likes to call “hedging bets,” Nots cannot be given to greater than half plus one of the castaways. For example, with twelve individuals remaining in the recreation, the utmost number of Nots that may be given out is seven.

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Ahhhh, there’s the Lauren that I keep in mind from the pre-merge. Slightly than accept her safety and coast by way of this vote mendacity down, Lauren took a proactive strategy and allied with Victora to make certain that Devens wasn’t capable of wholly control the vote this week. Concentrating on Ron serves to remove one of the two remaining massive jury threats and depart the other one uncovered with nowhere to go (though he managed to make it look like it was his concept all alongside, however… more on that later. Like, a LOT extra on that later). Lauren also still has the hidden immunity idol that she found waaaaay again in the day on the Manu seashore, and no one remaining in the recreation knows it exists. With no one concentrating on her (the stray bullets are all still firing at Aurora for no matter purpose), I might be stunned to see Lauren go house earlier than the ultimate 5… though I very simply COULD see her being eliminated to fireside at last 4.


“A minimum of there’ll be a line drawn within the sand.”

Flexibility is an important talent in relation to the game of Survivor. Lauren exhibited flexibility in spades this episode in her willingness to work with Victoria and Gavin to remove Ron. At this level, Lauren is a menace, however there are such a lot of other threats forward of her. Also, Lauren has made it this far and nonetheless been capable of maintain on to her idol. Now that she’s working with Gavin and Victoria, there’s a possible path to the top for Lauren.



I anticipate to catch plenty of flak for this one. I’ve obtained a variety of ideas about Rick, though, so here we go…

Despite dominating the episode (with 10 out of 21 confessionals) and finding an idol, Rick performed terribly here. His full misread of the environment of the camp when he discovered Aurora going via his bag and subsequent try and rally votes for Aurora as a result of her being sneaky/untrustworthy purely on account of Rick having seen her going by means of his bag wasn’t touched on in the episode, however I discovered it hilarious. Almost the entire tribe was working together to undergo Rick’s bag – Lauren instructed the search, Ron stored a lookout, I feel Victoria noticed Rick coming… it just occurred to be Aurora that was closest to the bag on the time to do the looking. How Rick might enter that state of affairs – together with his bag in plain sight of everyone, and with Aurora going via it IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY – and try to spin it as ‘take a look at how sneaky Aurora is being, did you guys see how sneaky Aurora was being? I caught her being sneaky’ demonstrates a surprising lack of situational awareness.

Within the lead-up to Tribal, Rick being the goal was, in fact, disregarded of the planning for the vote – as nicely he ought to have been. He chose then to play his not-real idol, and upon studying that Ron had tricked him, Rick (apparently in despair) went on to declaim the morally bankrupt nature of Ron Clark and expound to him (and the jury) what a falsely unctuous and nauseatingly unethical individual Ron was for his deception in making an attempt to “humiliate” Rick on television. Then Rick pivoted again to Jeff to disclose that he had an actual idol all along. At this level, Rick doubtless anticipated Aurora to go house… so why did he ream (Daly?) Ron so arduous? Rick virtually undoubtedly expected to go back to camp alongside Ron – on this case, an embarrassed and indignant Ron with a lot more cause to eliminate Rick. That’s not a good way to go into the subsequent vote, especially not when you realize you’re already looked at as an enormous menace to win the sport. Why enlarge the goal in your again?

I was reminded of Rick’s somewhat infamous conversation with the Wardog again in episode eight, where the Wardog approached him with the utterly affordable plan of working with Lesu once more. Again then, Rick opted not to hold a potential alliance route open, however quite to firebomb no matter bridge he still had with Wardog for the sake of an (admittedly very funny) enraged ‘I’m dying to get back with the previous Lesu… Besides that I DON’T WANT TO ****ING GET BACK WITH YOU GUYS AT ALL.’ Preserving in mind that that dialog led immediately into Rick’s abject failure to know the alliance that he was making an attempt to hitch, I can’t help but assume that this week’s similarly unnecessary obliteration of a social tie was based mostly each on a correct understanding of jury attitudes and a misunderstanding of the dynamics of Vata. It started with the founding of the tribe, emerged even more absolutely final week when he posited that none of the ladies have been enjoying the game (the identical ladies who hatched the plan for this week’s vote) and have been exemplified perfectly within the aforementioned ill-attended #AuroraExposedParty that Rick tried to throw earlier in the episode.

After this, we acquired Rick’s greatest transfer of the week: taking credit score for Ron’s boot. Rick had zero to do with Ron’s elimination… aside from the very fact he played an idol to void votes towards himself. He didn’t have any purpose to assume Ron was going house as a result of he voted Aurora. When the votes got here down for Ron, nevertheless, Rick (accompanied by Kelley’s enthusiastic clapping and Julia’s energetic dancing/impersonation of a peppy fisherman) laid into Ron AGAIN, pandering to the jury and successfully rubbing salt into the injuries of Ron’s almost-dead body… just some seconds after he had soliloquized about how terrible an individual Ron was for making an attempt to do something just like him.

I digress. The GOOD MOVE a part of that is that Rick managed to snipe some credit for this (admittedly excellent move) from Aurora, Lauren, Victoria and Gavin. For being the one that really had the least to do with the Ron blindside (except perhaps Julie), Rick by some means managed to return away from a tribal council the place he was public enemy number one with a measure of credit score and a extremely enthusiastic jury. And I actually can’t assist however feel that an enormous a part of why Rick was capable of do it’s because this season’s jury is all however sporting t-shirts with “TEAM RICK” on them. Every time he sneezes, the jury goes bonkers for him. Every time he says anything reasonably clever (which I’ll grant he does rather a lot) and flashes his pearly whites at Kelley, or David, or Julia, they all but fall and faint. If Rick weren’t getting this insane degree of constructive suggestions from the jury, I can’t imagine he can be showboating and enjoying so flashily. It’s virtually like the EoE inhabitants consider him as their representative. I assume Rick could possibly be stated to be their consultant, but… I mean, not likely.

Let’s step back for a second and analyze why Rick is considered such an enormous menace. Clearly, it’s because the jury is all however kissing the ground he walks upon. Nice. Let’s take a look at why that may be. Within the pre-merge, Rick voted out Reem but has someway escaped her wrath. He voted out Chris but in addition escaped his wrath. Perhaps he made up with the two of them throughout his sojourn on the Edge after he was voted out as the fourth boot. OK. Not precisely a strategic master-play, nor a social stroke of genius for anything in the pre-merge. Fast forward to the merge. Rick will get again in the recreation – hooray! Then he’s baited right into a round firing squad by the Kama majority that he thinks he’s an integral member of. Then he continues to purchase into that Kama majority that baited him last episode, but he’s solely disregarded of the revolt towards Ron and Eric. Then he incites rebel towards Julia – in all probability his greatest transfer of the sport. Then he loses his largest defend and closest ally. Then he votes for Kelley as a result of everyone was voting for Kelley. Then he loses his largest defend and closest ally once more. Then he loses in all probability the only different person who he might use as a defend. Now he’s just type of there. He’s completed nothing outdoors of profitable two (nicely, one and a half I’d say contemplating that he acquired an enormous advantage for considered one of them) immunities and finding one idol, and inciting the Julia vote. Throughout the entire season, I’d say that’s a No more than it’s a Scorching.

But wait, perhaps Rick made up some misplaced floor this episode! Let’s recap: Rick 1) was the goal 2) misinterpret the social environment of the complete camp 3) was given a pretend idol four) found an idol 5) didn’t win immunity 6) didn’t vote for the correct individual (but I really don’t blame him for that) 7) strengthened his menace status in entrance of everyone in the recreation and left himself as soon as again without any allies. This is not a great recreation. This can be a desperate flashy recreation that depends solely upon idols and benefits and challenge wins. That’s not all the time a nasty thing, but whereas different players who trusted this type of thing (Mike, Ben) had fairly respectable histories of gameplay to back them up, Devens has the illustrious mantle of Fourth Boot and one really cool tribal council. It boggles my thoughts that he’s thought-about the frontrunner, that he’s been the main target of virtually each episode, and that he’s getting so much credit for moves that not only did he not actively contribute to, but that he was actively unaware of.

Combine all of this together with his cocky angle at tribals every time issues ARE going his method (or I assume I should say each time he believes they’re) and you get a player who seems to be at greatest the pilot of a scorching air balloon: isolated, common amongst observers and hyped up by nothing but numerous fuel. In need of a string of immunities, or idols, or eliminated gamers boosting him along after which awarding him the win as a result of he’s just sort of neat, I can’t imagine an inexpensive approach for Rick to win this recreation. Despite this, I feel like him profitable is inevitable (TEN OUT OF TWENTY-ONE CONFESSIONALS). Considering how terrible his gameplay has been throughout the board all through this complete season, nevertheless, I have to provide him a Not.


“Survivor’s a grind, and I’m grinding.”

Alright, I’m calling it now. At this point, I’m fairly positive that Rick is profitable this recreation. I feel that he’s going to tug a Ben Driebergen and by some means advantage and/or immunity his method to the top. The jury clearly loves him, and he’s been pulling some pretty flashy strikes/profitable key immunities. If he doesn’t win at this level, I’ll be fairly shocked. Nevertheless, does that imply he’s enjoying nicely? I’m going forwards and backwards.

At this point, Rick is such an enormous menace that the minute he’s weak, the other gamers are going to take the shot. They’d be stupid not to. Actually, they straight up informed him this week that it was going to be him. A path to the top that relies on advantages and immunity wins is a obvious sign that you’ve misplayed. Rick has no other options at this level however to do a Mike Holloway or Ben Driebergen. He’s the most important menace on the market and everybody’s gunning for him. Fairly truthfully, that’s not good gameplay, despite the fact that it’s flashy and entertaining. Wardog and Ron each came upon the arduous approach how being too huge of a menace too soon impacts one’s recreation.

Rick’s in a troublesome spot, and I empathize with him. He has to play this difficult by necessity. Nevertheless, he performed himself into this tight spot by being such a big menace early on. What’s extra impressive? Someone who performs their method to the top by way of advantages and profitable. Or somebody who is able to so adeptly finagle the game that they are by no means in hassle. To me, the latter is way more impressive. Don’t get me incorrect. I like Rick, and I feel that if he makes it to the top, then he deserves to win. I just assume that the state of his recreation in the intervening time is fairly sloppy.

Now permit me to do a Survivor-style pressured metaphor: Right here’s the factor about having a recreation the place you burst by means of the wall like the Kool-Assist Man… If the inspiration’s weak, there’s an entire house that would come crashing down on your head. Proper now, the inspiration’s weak.



I actually appreciated that Ron took Julie on the family go to (I’ll have paused the present and started yelling, “THAT’S MY DRAFT! THAT’S MY DRAFT!!!” as they hugged) however aside from attending to spend some good time together with her husband this was a horrible week for her. She was utterly overlooked of the plan to eliminate Ron (and, once more, rightly so contemplating that he was one among her closest allies), she proceeded to lose Ron and… that’s about it. We didn’t see a whole lot of Julie this week. I wouldn’t be stunned to see her go subsequent after Rick until Rick will get saved one way or the other during which case I might anticipate to see Julie be voted out at the subsequent tribal council. She’s with out allies, she’s without idols, and although she’s pretty good in challenges, others are better.


I all the time say that if someone is unnoticed of a vote, that’s a telling sign. This week, Julie was unnoticed of the Ron plan, which is a terrible sign for her recreation. Individuals didn’t belief that Julie would work with them, and so now she’s enjoying from a minority position. Julie has been blindsided several occasions over the course of this recreation, which is an awful look in entrance of the jury. And this time, Julie misplaced her closest ally. After Rick straight up shamed her for lying, I feel her probabilities of profitable the sport have taken an enormous hit this week. And we know that Julie isn’t the most effective when she’s blindsided. I feel we may be in for a bucket of tears next episode.



I went forwards and backwards on what to provide Aurora this week. I feel it’s attainable that she’ll be the subsequent voted out of the game, as she’s had votes forged towards her at the past three tribal councils, and was saved before that solely by profitable immunity… however we’ve seen gamers with comparable monitor data (e.g. Angelina just final season) make it to the top. It’s virtually as if there’s a cloud of invulnerability that settles over people who make it by way of a number of tribals being voted for. Nevertheless, with Rick still being the most important menace (apparently), I might be stunned if Aurora went earlier than he does until he wins immunity or finds another idol. Have been that to occur, I might see Aurora going subsequent episode – however she’s actually good in challenges and seems to have made inroads with Victoria and Lauren, so I don’t really assume she’ll go subsequent week anyway.

Talking of the inroads with Victoria and Lauren (and Gavin), I used to be impressed with the social and strategic progress that Aurora’s recreation made this week. Her plan together with her additional vote was properly thought out, and the fact that she positioned that trust in Gavin hopefully will solidify him as an ally for her in what little of the sport is left. If this group continues to work collectively – as they need to – I wouldn’t be stunned at all to see Aurora make it to the final three.


“I just hope I don’t go down in historical past as one of the Survivor idiots.”

Oof, and getting caught snooping in Rick’s dangerous was a tough look.

Aurora has been a possible target every week because nobody seems to love her. Her path to the top can be as a goat. There’s a chance that Joe and Aubry may be capable of sway the jury in her favor, however I’m unsure if that might be enough. Regardless, having everybody within the recreation prepared to throw out your identify at every turn signifies that you simply’re expendable. Everybody views Aurora as expendable. Expendable individuals sometimes don’t have choices. Expendable individuals should depend on others to get to the top. Expendable individuals definitely don’t win Survivor.



Seeing Victoria and Lauren working collectively on a strategic plan was like going to see the first Avengers film. It was such an exquisite crossover. Despite the fact that they’ve been on the identical seashore for a couple of weeks and easily might have worked collectively in an identical vein earlier than, I feel like this was the first time that we really noticed these two hash out their plans together. With Victoria taking the lead on brainstorming the Ron blindside, she adds one other strong vote plan to her already spectacular listing of accomplishments so far – despite the fact that her vote was for Rick, she was part of the plan to separate between Rick and Ron. Her present relationships with different gamers look like robust, she’s by no means been neglected of the plan, she’s provide you with greater than a handful of stated plans, and she or he’s by no means even acquired a vote. From a purely gameplay perspective, Victoria is wanting like a really robust candidate to win the sport at this point.


“I need to be the one to determine who goes residence.”

Victoria is like the other of Liam Neeson in Taken. Her father was taken away by the evil schoolteacher, Ron Clark. So Victoria’s going to return in, kissed by hearth, and wreck your entire life.

Aspect word for future players: By no means. Win. The. Family. Visit. Challenge. It makes everybody indignant once you inevitably have to decide on individuals to go back to camp with out their family. Who you decide reveals a ton about your alliances. You inevitably alienate individuals. Typically, like in Ron’s case, you get voted out over it. Throw the challenge. It’s not value it.

Alright, now let’s get back to Ms. Ygritte, Ms. Eliza Thornberry, Ms. Pepper Ann herself, Victoria Baamonde. This woman performed flawlessly this week, and I used to be right here for it. She was rightfully given credit score for getting this transfer going. First, she appropriately recognized that she was on the outs with Ron. Then, she sneaky snuck over to Lauren, equally bereft, and cast an alliance together with her. THEN, she toodles again over to Gavin and gets him to betray a person who simply gave him the World’s Shortest Honeymoon. Then, Victoria went proper again into the shadows (shadows in all probability forged by that big beanie).



I need to open by saying that Gavin and his spouse are probably the most cute couple I’ve ever seen and Ali and I have been overjoyed by their reunion and their clear love for one another. I used to be so completely satisfied that Ron chosen him for the household go to, even if his motives have been completely selfish and private.
Gameplay sensible, I’m perplexed by Gavin’s actions at tribal this week. He was sensible to aspect with Aurora/Victoria/Lauren to get rid of Ron – Ron was completely the best menace following Devens (apparently) left within the recreation – but not solely did he haven’t any agency in the choice, he misplayed the plan that was dictated to him, or no less than that’s the way it appeared to me.

As I recall, Aurora gave Gavin her additional vote expecting that votes can be landing on her and understanding that people who find themselves tied can’t vote in a revote, she gave her additional vote to Gavin to play in in the occasion of a revote between Aurora and Ron. Gavin then waltzed up to the voting booth within the first spherical of Tribal Council voting, whipped out the additional vote and threw two votes at Ron, leaving us with a ultimate vote tally of Ron 3 Aurora 1. I assume this wasn’t a waste of the additional vote, since this was the ultimate tribal at which it was capable of be performed, however… I imply, why did he play it then? Aurora might as simply have performed it then. Why even hassle giving Gavin the benefit if he was simply enjoying it when Aurora might have played it?

All this to say, despite Gavin being an integral a part of the blindside and having a variety of tight connections with remaining players, he has but to truly make a transfer of his personal that wasn’t both in lock-step behind another player or incepted by the Wardog. With out anything to point to in his own recreation or his personal story, Gavin gets one other Not from me this week.


“I’ve so much to play for.”

Dang, Gavin, your spouse is a cutie! Good for you!

Weight loss plan Nick. Nick Lite. Greenback retailer Nick. These are things individuals have been calling you (perhaps, I principally made this up). But not in the present day, Mr. Whitson. Because at this time, you burst forth from underneath the shadow of Ron Clark. Gavin was strolling a difficult line between two choices. Finally, he chose the right transfer. There was no means that Gavin was going to be able to beat Ron. He has a much better probability towards the remaining gamers. Yes, Gavin definitely burned some bridges with Julie, but Julie’s menace degree was neutralized this week with Ron going residence. This was a win-win for Gavin because now he’s built trust with people who he has an opportunity towards (although, I feel that Lauren and Victoria would both in all probability beat him). For enhancing his spot this week, it’s a Scorching from me.


All my rankings for EoE this week are based mostly on if I feel the individual will get back in. Reem in all probability gained’t, and I am heartbroken.


“It’s a recreation; everyone’s a liar.”

We didn’t hear quite a bit from Extinction Island this week, so lots of my assessments would be the similar as last week. Nevertheless, there is a secret scene through which Reem really lays into Wardog. Reem keeps attacking every person who involves The Edge, and while it makes for nice entertainment, it’s horrible gameplay.


Chris may get again in, however I don’t assume he’ll.


Based mostly on his visibility, I don’t assume he’s coming again. However he’s a robust man, and he’s retaining everyone fed. The chances are in his favor, whereas the edit isn’t.


Aubry continues to be my odds on favorite to return.


She’s still acquired a bonus in that challenge, and I’d be prepared to guess that she’s working towards an terrible lot just to avoid Edge boredom.


It’s Joe.


Joe has the perfect probability of getting again in the recreation of everyone. Nevertheless, his lack of visibility makes me suspicious that he won’t. For now, he’s Kindled just based mostly on his physicality alone.


Challenges. He may win them.


Lack of visibility, however he’s a beefcake. See Chris and Joe.


She isn’t more likely to return.


Simply based mostly on what we’ve seen of Julia, I doubt she’s coming again into the sport. I beloved her reactions at tribal, and I wish we’d seen a bit more of that character on the present.


I really like him to demise, however he’s not more likely to return.


David has pulled out challenge wins before, especially in puzzles. We haven’t seen loads of him this week, but when everybody rooting for Rick is any indication, I feel that he has lots of sway with the jury at this level.


She might.


Kelley has a superb shot of creating it back in and, from watching her on the jury bench, it seems like she’s getting alongside nicely with the others on The Edge. I feel if she makes it to the top, she might win.


He probably gained’t.


Wardog would have to have an enormous turn round in his challenge efficiency to win his approach again into the game. If he does handle to make it back, no one goes to need to work with him. He’s too huge of a menace. On prime of that, he’s partaking in fights with Reem in secret scenes. Even if Wardog someway wins his means again, by alienating members of the jury, Wardog won’t get a bunch of votes in his favor.


I felt dangerous for Ron this week. All in all, I feel Ron played a reasonably good recreation. I might see him profitable his method again in, as properly.


“I’m in command of this recreation.”

The minute he stated this, I knew he was a goner. Ron played an entertaining recreation. Sadly, once Wardog was gone, he or Rick have been the logical subsequent targets. The theme of this season has been main players underestimating the individuals around them. Ron did this, and so he’s out of the sport. I don’t assume he’s the best problem player on the planet, especially in comparison with the others on The Edge. It’s uncertain that Ron will return, and if he does, his target shall be large. Hey, at the very least he made his beloved family visit.


GUS: I feel I set a new document this week with my Rick rant.

ALI: It was even longer than my Angelina rant last season! Pleased with you. You out chatted me. That’s troublesome to do.

GUS: It’s a milestone moment. I used to be involved that you simply have been going to provide him a Scorching and we’d should spend ninety pages or extra arguing over that. Thanks for not doing that.

ALI: I significantly thought-about it. The choice lay inside the framework of “does someone profitable mean they performed properly?” If I actually assume Rick is profitable, and I feel he may, does that imply he’s enjoying properly right now? So I needed to consider what “enjoying properly” means to me. I feel that when you’re in hassle like Rick’s in hassle, and you need to resort to those excessive measures to keep yourself protected, I feel then he performed a “profitable recreation” but not a “good recreation.” An excessive amount of about his recreation is subject to probability, and he has zero strikes left to him aside from profitable challenges and idols. In that case, there’s a elementary strategic factor lacking from his gameplay. Now, I don’t assume that this unlucky state of affairs is Rick’s fault. I’m fairly certain that much of his misfortune is because of misplays on Ron and Wardog’s elements. Nevertheless, I can’t look past the truth that he has been inflexible at occasions for emotional causes, he’s voted incorrectly many occasions, and he’s critically underestimated the opposite players. His hubris might yet be his downfall.

GUS: I agree. I truly waffled on whether or not to make him a Scorching or Not for this very cause. And I feel it’s truthful to say that if he weren’t the overwhelming focus of most of the post-merge episodes, we wouldn’t be taking a look at him as an enormous menace to win the game – and we’d not have had so much hassle deciding to make him a Scorching or a Not. That was an enormous part of my determination to make him a Not, was making an attempt to look previous what the show is displaying us and take a look at the game fundamentals of the players. That’s also why I opted to make Aurora a Scorching this week, which I had kinda hoped you’d disagree with. So, thanks for doing that.


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ALI: I feel it needs to be based mostly on what sort of path you may need to the top. It’s a difficult thing to determine. Aurora has a path to the top, however she’s in all probability not profitable based mostly on everyone’s perceptions of her. You may argue that having a path to the top might imply you’re enjoying an excellent recreation, but that’s not the one factor to think about. Similar thing right here, however the reverse. Probably, Rick would win if he received to the top. His path to the top relies on principally luck relatively than technique. Subsequently, he’s not enjoying an excellent recreation, which is why I gave them each Nots. And this segues (Gus is triggered) properly into the way you’re improper about Aurora.

GUS: (Context for the above: this week, at the age of 26, I discovered that “Segway” refers only to the motor scooter and that “segue” is how the phrase is actually spelled. I’ve been saying stuff like “that basically segways nicely into this matter” for 10+ years not figuring out that I’ve solely been speaking about out of date, overhyped pedestrian transportation units.)

I’m not flawed about Aurora. Her recreation has taken off prior to now few weeks. Truly, I’d say that ever since we misplaced Joe, Aurora’s recreation has been flying high, and with the arrival of “vote towards the threats all the time no matter what,” her stock only continues to rise. Because the merge, Aurora’s acquired a bonus, gained two immunities, ducked and run from a number of bullets and been a party to numerous vital votes. The Lesu four saw her as an integral a part of their unique plan earlier than they decided that it might be a greater concept to only auto-cannibalize moderately than to make a coherent technique, and as it stands the only people who find themselves really gunning to get her out are Julie (I nonetheless don’t really get why) and Rick.

ALI: “Flying high” is high reward for somebody who has been the decoy target (or real target) so many occasions. Everyone retains talking about disliking Aurora: Kelley, Ron, Julie… I feel Aurora looks like an excellent gal, but I feel her probabilities of profitable this recreation are slim. She’s seen as expendable. I’m truthfully shocked you gave her a Scorching this week.

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GUS: Alright, I’ll offer you that I could also be overhyping Aurora this week. The perception of her among the many different players isn’t nice, and yeah she’s been in some dangerous spots (the Julia boot simply being the worst of all). However she’s additionally carried out some actually good things, and I feel she might own them if she made it far sufficient down the road. The damaging notion of her additionally solely provides to the probability that she might make it to the top – if individuals assume that no one likes her, isn’t she a greater Remaining Tribal Council member than someone who the jury actually likes? In addition to, I’m giving her a Scorching based mostly not solely on her season-long gameplay (as we’ve got to do as we reach the top of the game) but in addition based mostly on how she played this week, and her contribution to the gambit to remove Ron was insightful and clever. I don’t mean to say that strategic #moderatemoves are the one thing that matter in Survivor, but her use of the additional vote as insurance coverage was nicely completed. This was an excellent week for her.

ALI: In Survivor, notion is reality. If individuals perceive that Aurora is obnoxious and doesn’t need to win, it’s in all probability a great indication that a lot of people really feel that means. Nevertheless, I feel Aurora’s one saving grace might be that Joe and Aubry are on The Edge and could also be talking her up. It depends. I feel it could possibly be an uphill battle as a result of she doesn’t have a ton to point to aside from immunity wins and pure survival when the target was on her back. I do assume that her recreation has improved, but she’s had a couple of tense conversations with individuals like Rick and Ron. I don’t understand how nicely that’s going to work out for her.

GUS: I agree with you that she’s unlikely to win the sport, however you possibly can’t deny that this was a very good week for her. Aside from Devens considering she’s a snitch, all the things she did this week solely strengthens her recreation and legitimizes her as a player. In fact, I have a very garbage monitor report of backing the fallacious horse this season, so she’s in all probability going out purely as a result of I stated she did properly.

ALI: It was a very good week for her in that she didn’t go to Extinction. But what options does she have shifting ahead? From what I might tell, the one individual working together with her in any respect was Ron. Gavin and Victoria needed her for the vote. Are they going to work together with her going ahead? Who knows! It simply seems like the rationale Aurora was saved was as a result of Victoria and Gavin have been enjoying appropriately. Yes, Aurora contributed her additional vote, however she needed to play it anyway. And her reasoning for giving it to Gavin didn’t make plenty of sense. Why not just have her play it? Then, she a minimum of gets some credit score for the move. Gavin’s immunity doesn’t have an impact on the vote. If they did a revote, then they only all vote for Rick.

GUS: She gave the additional vote to him because if they’d voted for her, she couldn’t have performed it at the revote. He might because he was never going to be getting votes. I suppose that she was a little bit of a secondary contributor to the plan, however I favored the aptitude that she added to it.

ALI: However you’ll be able to’t play the second vote on the revote anyway. The plan is senseless.

GUS: You’ll be able to, can’t you? I assumed that was one of the particular bonuses of this one. When Aurora acquired it, I’m fairly positive they specified that it was playable on a revote.

ALI: Oh, perhaps I missed that. However they performed it on the first vote anyway. Would she have gotten that second vote on the revote again? I just don’t see the purpose of having Gavin play the vote on the first cross if the contingency plan was in order that he might play it on the second vote. Sorry, I feel like I want this transfer explained to me.

GUS: I mean, yeah, it was just a little needlessly complicated. However the concept was that if the vote had turned out 1 Ron 1 Aurora, and there was dissent on a revote, Aurora had an additional vote that could possibly be played. It was a bit of excessive. Gavin enjoying it in the course of the regular vote was his mistake; if Aurora’s plan had been to play it then, then Aurora ought to have played it herself. Giving it to Gavin was insurance because Aurora couldn’t play it on a revote, as she’d be getting the votes; Gavin might because he wasn’t ever going to be underneath hearth of votes.


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ALI: Okay, I assume that is sensible. It was somewhat convoluted, and perhaps it wasn’t explained within the clearest method. We could talk about Gavin?

GUS: Lets. I simply don’t assume he’s finished something of benefit throughout the whole recreation.

ALI: Properly, I need to warning towards that assumption. I’m wondering if he’s made moves, however different individuals have acquired credit for them. He has found his method time and time again into multiple alliances which have put him in power positions.

GUS: He’s been invited into alliance after alliance, he’s waffled on whether or not or not to do the factor with stated alliance, after which he’s completed as he’s been informed. There’s enjoying the middle, after which there’s simply being led alongside by others, and I can’t assist but feel like Gavin can’t level to any of the strikes that he’s been part of and say that they have been due to one thing he did – outdoors of be a quantity. Furthermore, all the flipping he’s accomplished as a part of being a number is probably going only alienating the parents that he’s flipped towards.

ALI: That could be true, however I can’t help however really feel that Ron leaving is finally helpful to his recreation. Gavin has been waffling, however he additionally has choices. It sort of feels like he’s extra effectively doing what Ron needed to do. Everyone appears to need to work with Gavin, and at this point, he’s in a majority position. This week, I feel he finally made the suitable selection in voting for Ron, because Ron had an excellent shot of profitable the game and it doesn’t appear to be Gavin needed him as a defend. Now, I feel that different individuals within the recreation are still greater threats than him who will keep the group’s focus. Nevertheless, there is a risk that should Rick win immunity that Gavin could also be voted out because of all of his immunity wins. I see a world through which that would occur. Finally, I feel that this week was constructive for Gavin from a strategic standpoint. Time will inform if it comes again to chew him. I feel that Rick and Julie are greater targets in the meanwhile.

Additionally, I need to comment further on the assertion that Gavin hasn’t “completed anything.” I feel he has maybe not been given credit for most of the strikes that he’s participated in. He was a part of a number of main blindsides this season, and although they may not have been his concept, they have been nonetheless issues that he helped orchestrate (Aubry and Wardog’s blindsides come to thoughts). We know historically that the one that comes up with the thought to remove somebody isn’t all the time the instigator of stated transfer. There are a whole lot of cogs that must be in place for a blindside to occur. Gavin is enjoying the game; he’s simply not getting the credit. It takes talent to be profitable that many challenges and be part of that many alliances and nonetheless be fairly underneath the radar. He’s by no means been a target despite all of these issues and that’s pretty respectable play in my e-book. Is he profitable? In all probability not. But I don’t assume this week was dangerous for his recreation. I assumed he performed his place appropriately and made the suitable determination. It’s a Scorching from me.


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GUS: That’s all personally affordable logic, but I don’t see much of it as being in Gavin’s favor. Positive, he was in on the Aubry vote out – because Victoria noticed him as a simple quantity and drew him into it. He was a part of the Wardog blindside – because the remainder of the troops brought him in on it. He was part of the Joe blindside – as a result of Julie brought him in on it. He was part of the Ron blindside – as a result of Victoria (slash Aurora) coerced him into it. His immunity wins are nice – I’m not saying that he’s not succesful – but I really feel like he’s shown a scarcity of robust initiative by means of the sport which has led to the remainder of the castaways seeing him as just another protected additional quantity. He isn’t being targeted as a result of no one is taking a look at him as a possible menace to win the game. He’s been a part of so many alliances because he doesn’t have any in-game loyalty. Might his playstyle result in a profitable recreation? Yeah, undoubtedly – however not the best way he’s doing it.

ALI: I trip on Gavin. I’m wondering if, in a special season construction, we’d see extra of his recreation and are available to a unique conclusion. Definitely, everyone seems to like him and need to speak recreation with him. If he isn’t talking recreation, then no one would come to him. I feel the fact that he’s been capable of play the center like Ron needed says one thing vital about his recreation. I feel the 2 missteps he’s really had have been voting out Eric too soon and that massive confrontation with Wardog. I feel it’s onerous to capture an beneath the radar recreation very properly, however does that mean Gavin isn’t enjoying?

GUS: I don’t assume he isn’t enjoying so much as even when he is, it doesn’t appear to be the perception is that he is. Which may just be what we’re seeing, but although I feel he’s enjoying the center nicely sufficient to be ignored by the remainder of the castaways, I additionally assume that he’s doing it as half of a larger group and the one that is leading stated group is Victoria. He’s primarily Victoria’s lieutenant at this point, I might say.

ALI: Hm. Part of me is nervous that they’re each seen as secondary players based mostly on a couple of scenes we’ve seen of gamers speaking behind their backs. I feel Victoria’s gotten extra credit score for certain strikes, however lots of her flashier strikes have been in the pre-merge, and other people in the recreation have brief reminiscences in terms of pre-merge affairs. As for Gavin, can we say Scorching because his spouse is lovable?

GUS: I’ll go in for that. They make a really cute couple.

ALI: Mazel tov to them each. Let’s transfer on to The Edge. We saw little or no of them this week. How on the earth is David an Ashen?

GUS: I’m fairly positive that we noticed none of them. David’s an Ashen because I don’t assume that he’s going to win out in the problem. That’s it. I don’t have some other logic to make use of as a result of there’s no extra footage of him. There hasn’t really been footage of David since his vote-out. Ron’s a Kindled because he can puzzle fairly properly and I’m assuming it’ll finish with a puzzle. I know that David may also puzzle nicely, but Ron can puzzle higher. Again. Very little logic.

ALI: David was no slouch in puzzles throughout MvGX, and if they have anything having to do with stability, he’s received a good shot. Also, I feel that David has a approach higher probability of creating it far if he will get back within the recreation than Ron. David has Rick still in the recreation, who may have no selection but to work with him. Also, David is a beast at fire-making.

GUS: Yeah, that’s truthful. He’s obtained a shot; I don’t assume it’s one of the best shot, is all, and I didn’t need to give Kindleds to principally everyone.


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ALI: Okay, however you then give one to Ron who hasn’t gained a single particular person immunity problem?

GUS: He gained numerous group immunities. I don’t know. We’re happening virtually no info. I feel he might do it. They have been both a coin flip, truthfully.

ALI: Nicely, that was a nasty flip. My cash’s on David day by day of the week. Ron goes back in; then he goes right back out. Alright, who do you assume is going house this week? I’m going to hedge my bets and say Gavin.

GUS: That’s hilarious. I’m gonna do the same and say Aurora as a result of I wish to infuriate you.

ALI: Unimaginable. It’s a miracle we even like each other.

[email protected] Who’s returning? Decide one.

ALI: Gaaaah that’s exhausting. Okay, let’s go together with… Kelley. She’s been fairly a spokesperson on The Edge and she or he’s good at challenges.

GUS: Truthful selection. I feel Aubry. Until Devens is voted out subsequent, by which case I anticipate everyone from EoE to lie down and die to let Devens get back into the game. I’m kidding. Somewhat bit. However I feel that if Devens is voted out, he’ll be returning again.

ALI: I virtually picked Aubry, but then I hesitated. She does have the benefit of with the ability to follow. We will certainly see! Who’s protected this week?

GUS: I need to say, Vic, because I would like her to be protected, but when they’re sensible they’ll goal her after Devens (or if Devens is immune)… I’m going to say… Lauren?

ALI: She’s received an idol, in order that’s an excellent decide. I need to decide somebody totally different from you.

GUS: Don’t feel obligated. We will agree. It’s allowed.

ALI: Nah. I like being a contrarian. I feel Aurora might be eradicated as a result of individuals don’t like her. Rick is a goner as quickly as he isn’t protected. Julie is expendable as a result of her alliance fell aside. Gavin is a problem menace. Victoria is a strategic menace. Lauren is within the Lesu minority…

I’m going to go together with Aurora. I feel that folks see her as a goat that they will beat in the long run. I’m not saying that it’s true, but I feel it’s a cause some might need to maintain her round.

GUS: I actually like how I made Aurora a Scorching and stated she may go residence, and you then made her a Not and stated she’s in all probability protected. We’re a veritable hedge maze.

ALI: I like to think about it as much less of a hedge and more of a topiary… However in seriousness, I feel that Aurora is enjoying an enduring recreation, but not a profitable recreation. So, while she’ll stick round for fairly some time, her longevity just isn’t indicative of a win.

GUS: Totally truthful. And I feel that’s it for this week’s version!

ALI: Tune in next week, when Rick finds 13 idols!

GUS: And is gifted eight more from David Wright!

ALI: Adios!

GUS: Bye!