With over 4o years of investigative expertise, John Zaffis is undoubtedly a top-notch supply for sorting the supernatural. In addition to being featured on SyFy’s Haunted Collector (2011 – 2013), Mr. Zaffis is a seasoned writer, lecturer, researcher and sure, demonologist. John’s numerous first-hand paranormal experiences have solidified his belief in otherworldly phenomena. He brazenly shares his invaluable wisdom at events throughout the year and it was throughout Pennhurst Paracon that I used to be finally capable of chat with the fascinating Mr. John Zaffis.
Linda: To start out things off, I actually have a few questions from knowledgeable paranormal investigator in Australia, Ms. Sarah Chumacero. She want to know if there’s a specific paranormal matter that you simply choose educating?
John: No, there isn’t one that I favor. I was a demonologist for a few years, then we ended up doing Haunted Collector and that went more in the direction of haunted idols. Talking concerning the demonology, or haunted gadgets, or instances… I take pleasure in speaking about [all of it] with regards to the paranormal universe. There’s not likely one set thing that I stick with talking about.
Linda (for Sarah): What’s one particular factor each investigator ought to know?
John: (laughs) Brian J Cano.
Linda: (laughs) Everyone ought to know him?
John: (smiles) To respect households, pay attention to what you’re doing, especially if there are kids and issues concerned. Do your analysis, verify into things. It’s a key essential factor earlier than truly saying what is occurring or what is going on. Very, essential. Discover out if individuals are going to docs, on drugs or have drug issues. I feel it’s essential to seek out all that stuff out.
Linda (for Sarah): What are your ideas on the recognition and progress of paranormal TV exhibits? What has been its impression on the sector?
John: Nicely I feel the impression with numerous the TV exhibits and things happening, it’s a double-edged sword. That’s how I really view it. I do know so most of the individuals on the exhibits and numerous them are private buddies. Individuals have to remember, too, that folks do the perfect that they will with the exhibits. It’s an fascinating thing to observe and take a look at a few of the totally different ones once I do get the chance to catch them and watch them.
It’s even like paranormal films and about conjuring a nun and all those. Individuals say, properly, it’s actually not targeted on the true case. They take parts. That’s it. I don’t know anybody, including myself… if I need to go see a scary film, I need to get scared. And when you watch a film, what are we all going to do? We’re going to go house and oh, it was boring. Nothing occurred in the movie. So once more, Hollywood has all the time accomplished that with the scary films and the true instances, they only actually add lots of things to them. It’s for leisure.
Linda: Are there exhibits you assume individuals ought to be watching?
John: Nicely again, everyone has totally different methods, everyone does various things. It is what it is. That’s the best way I take a look at it. To me, the important thing component with learning to do investigations and be a mystical investigator is being part of a mystical workforce and having that chance to work with folks that do it. Palms-on is one of the best instructor.
Picture: Rick Sasson (FB John Zaffis)
Linda: Where did your schooling within the subject emanate?
John: My schooling got here from Ed and Lorraine Warren. Once more, that’s why plenty of occasions I snort when individuals say to me, properly they have been strict Roman Catholic. That was their belief system. That’s what they practiced, but they didn’t go by that once we did investigations. Working with them, I met rabbis, ministers, shamans, drugs men, witches, you identify it. They labored with lots of people in their careers, and that’s what gave me a greater understanding of working in our subject. A lot of people follow various things. Does it imply that they’re doing something on a destructive degree out there? I don’t consider that.
Linda: What does it imply to be a demonologist?
John: What it means to be a demonologist is, principally it’s to review plenty of totally different religions, lots of totally different practices, lots of totally different cults, to get a information base of what to grasp and understand once you cope with that stuff. We do have set people who just go strictly from a Christianity perspective, we now have those that go from a pagan perspective, all totally different perspectives come into play. A number of the clearings and things that I’ve accomplished has been completely superb to observe. Native American or Buddhists performed ceremonies to be able to help individuals. With that, I feel it’s good to have an excellent understanding of plenty of those issues and getting concerned with it to have the ability to assist individuals. That’s how I view demonology.
Linda: I feel individuals hear that time period they usually just affiliate adverse connotations or simply don’t understand it.
John: Properly, lots of people simply affiliate it with the Roman Catholic Church. Individuals don’t even understand the rights of exorcism have been round lengthy before organized religions. It’s necessary to know and achieve that information in any area when getting concerned with it to have a very good appreciation to have the ability to help individuals.
Linda: What’s it concerning the paranormal that retains you interested?
John: What retains me interested after 46 years is the very fact, it’s still such an unknown to all of us. It’s great, it’s unbelievable seeing what individuals are doing immediately with all of the gear and getting plenty of these things. However on the finish of the day, you still should take that step back. We still can’t show this scientifically, as a result of for scientific findings we have now to have repeatability, and we don’t really have that. You’ve obtained to be able to chart and also you’ve acquired to be able to do this for the scientific group to truly recognize it. That’s what’s cool about in the present day is so many people are striving. You’ve obtained loads of engineering individuals, scientists-
Linda: I have an engineering background…
John: So do I, yeah.
Linda: Which subject?
Linda: Me too!
John: Yeah. So what intrigues me and just keeps me going, is simply watching what individuals do, how they do it. There are a variety of youthful individuals immediately digging in there, making an attempt to determine it out. I simply take a look at it from that perspective.
Linda: I do know Brian (Cano) is huge on accumulating knowledge.
John: On the subject of Brian, he’s very hardcore with it. I feel one of the main achievements relating to Brian is that I might get him to the purpose where he would just stand there and go, I can’t figure it out, I can’t reply. It made him begin to assume just a little bit deeper into that part of it that we just don’t have the answers to. But that’s wholesome to be that means. It truly is.
Picture: Brian J. Cano
That’s one thing I respect very a lot about him. He all the time will get intrigued and . Afterward, he’ll all the time say to me, “How did you figure that out? How did this occur? Why did that occur?” He goes, “There’s no logical purpose why…” blah blah blah, and I simply snigger.
We deal more with a religious realm than we do anything. That’s a hard thing for lots of people to grasp and perceive. That’s simply the details of it. It’s religious greater than scientific.
“John is a walking Masterclass of Paranormal Expertise. He’s had many years of expertise and has been current for or adjoining to a few of the most well-known instances out there. Add to that the fact that he was educated by his uncle, Ed Warren, and that quantities to a pedigree of the very best normal. I’ve discovered lots from him. He’s all the time been pleased to share his information – however make no mistake – he makes you’re employed for it!” – Brian J. Cano
Linda: Do you are feeling like we’re headed in the best course as far as understanding?
John: Yeah. Again, that’s a troublesome thing to actually say whether we’re on track because I keep on with the philosophy that in case you don’t take possibilities and for those who don’t attempt various things, you’re never going to get any answers. I attempt to all the time take a look at stuff and hold an open thoughts when individuals attempt totally different experiments or do different things.
Linda: What are your emotions on the influence of social media?
John: It’s fascinating that there’s [some] constructive, but there’s a lot more destructive. The rationale I say that is because it’s very irritating in our world at this time that folks can cover behind a keyboard. Numerous occasions when studying stuff, regardless of whether or not it’s myself or different folks that I know, I’ll go, the place did you hear this from, or the place do you get this from? Individuals don’t verify issues. They only run with tales. Properly, I heard this and any person informed me. Once more, most people that know me, even for those who send me derogatory issues about anybody, I gained’t touch upon them. I will delete them, I’ll take them off. It’s just one thing that I discovered at a really younger age to only stand tall and simply cope with it because it’s going to happen no matter what you do.
Picture: Joe Reed-Gifford
Individuals are all the time going to have haters. And it’s not simply us in the paranormal subject. You watch what individuals do to different individuals which are on TV and also you just learn a number of the stuff and it’s simply, sad. Sad that folks do this. They don’t understand a variety of occasions the repercussion that has on the people.
Linda: It will possibly wreck careers. Take individuals down whether or not it’s true or not.
John: It ruins careers. It’s a terrible, terrible factor. It’s a superb factor on one hand, but a number of occasions watching what individuals say and do to individuals is a horrible, horrible factor. It truly is.
Linda: I used to be curious to listen to your take because you’ve been investigating before social media was even a ‘factor’. I feel like you’ve got a special perspective than some individuals simply coming into it.
John: I do, I do. To me, it’s an necessary component. Unfortunately, we all want to use our social media to return or forth and like I stated, nearly all of the time once I see something or I’ll learn one thing and it’s identical to, why do you must do this to someone? To me, there’s no level to it. It simply provides individuals gratification to try this to individuals and I just, I don’t see it. I don’t get it.
Linda: I’m with you. I exploit it as little as potential.
John: You’re sitting right here speaking to a guy that also has a wired landline that he uses.
Linda: So do I. (laughs)
John: I gained’t give it up either. I can’t give that up.
Linda: Let’s speak about your museum. Where is it? How did it get started?
John: It started approach again once I was doing an investigation with my aunt and uncle. This lady had collected these little statues, purchased one, and it was shifting around and every thing. Ed and Lorraine went to go examine, I was with them. We have been driving back residence and he threw it to me within the backseat and he goes, “You want that, kid?” I’m like, what am I going to do with this?
What that did was, it made me begin to assume and start studying up on issues. We didn’t even have the Web or something. So I started getting books on it and realizing, my goodness, there’s been haunted gadgets around as long as the whole lot else that goes … Our most famous one, the Hope Diamond. That basically intrigued me and made me begin considering, and just started researching. Here I am immediately with all types of haunted gadgets.
The gathering simply stored growing and rising. I had put a barn up on my property. I reside in a residential area. I don’t blame neighbors, they don’t want individuals trucking in and out of the neighborhood. I can perceive that. As we speak one of many key issues, I nonetheless maintain wanting round for a bit of property to lease or purchase to be able to put the museum in there so it’ll maintain going after I’m gone. Hopefully one among today I’ll find the appropriate piece of property that I can afford and get it carried out.
Linda: I see you will have three books right here and stated you’ve two more that you simply’re engaged on. Are you able to speak about those?
John: Positive. There’s one I’m doing together with Rosemary Ellen Guiley*, nearly plenty of instances. She was very involved in getting a number of my theories on issues. She gets very intrigued by the best way I take a look at stuff and the best way I deal with stuff, so she needed to do an entire section of that.
Rosemary and I having lunch in New Milford Connecticut at this time working away on tales for the third ebook pic.twitter.com/0goURQWG6w
— John Zaffis (@JohnZaffis) July 19, 2018
*Notice: The day after this interview, information of Rosemary Ellen Guiley’s passing on July 18th was launched. John Zaffis was damaged by the news. Rosemary was rather more than a mentor to John, she was a personal good friend… she was household. Her impression on the paranormal area is immeasurable and she or he might be sorely missed. Fortunately the information and expertise she has shared will reside on by means of her peers.
Another guide that’s utterly completed, it’ll be What Lurks Within. I’m doing this with Debbie and Larry Elward. They’re good associates that I’ve labored with for 40 years. It’s a mixture of a variety of our creepy, creepy tales.
Linda: That’s superior.
John: Yeah, each books can be dynamite to lastly come out.
Linda: I sit up for these. Is there one thing you don’t get requested that you want individuals to know?
John: Geez, I don’t know. Everyone all the time asks me all the things.
Linda: They cover every little thing?
John: I feel the one factor I get a kick out of is when individuals will say, properly, what do you do if you’re not doing one thing paranormal? The 2 issues in my life that I take pleasure in probably the most is walking. Day by day, I walk constantly all over. I lived in my space for 30 years and I finally, the past couple of years, received to satisfy every neighbor I do know in our neighborhood. And I love to prepare dinner. I’m very massive on cooking.
Linda: So what time ought to I be there?
John: Anytime. I’ll begin cooking up a storm. I begin cooking in a heartbeat.
Linda: You never know once I may be in your neighborhood. (laughs)
An enormous thanks to Mr. John Zaffis for taking the time to talk with me. Such an honor spending time with the Godfather of the Paranormal! For more info go to https://www.johnzaffis.com/. Remember to comply with Mr. Zaffis on social media to keep up with the newest news and occasion appearances… Fb: Johnny Zaffis Twitter: @JohnZaffis